Checked out Silver Falls Sunday. It looked good, but was very thin to the hose underneath. Also full of air bubbles. I can't imagine a screw would hold any sort of fall. We decided to pass. Climbed the left side of Park Gate on Monday. It was very wet, actually slushy near the top with large (3-4 ft) blocks coming off with every swing at the very top. Neither one will be worth much for long if some colder weather doesn't show up soon.